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Two By Two Fri, 13 Jun 25 |
An abridged, narrative version of the latest episode of Two by Two, The Ken’s premium weekly business podcast. |
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AI’s utility and promise as a tool for a multitude of purposes is now a commonly accepted fact. And, ever since the first public version of ChatGPT went live in late 2022, there hasn’t been much doubt that AI technologies would get better and better with time.
The AI-powered chatbot, for instance, has seen one of the fastest adoptions in recent tech history—to the point that, now, some firmly believe that they can serve in even complex roles like personal therapists or coaches. Using an AI chatbot to help reduce the possibility of burnout or serve as a supportive “friend” is now a very real possibility.
I happened to read recently that Anthropic’s Claude chatbot has acquired quite a few admirers for its “emotional intelligence”—even among people working in the AI sector. I haven’t used it a lot, but the little experience I’ve had with it has been encouraging. I dumped a few things I’ve been dealing with personally on it, and it never once tried to diagnose me or offer solutions in lieu of a professional. It kept telling me to seek help from a mental health professional.
My conversations with it were helpful, though, if nothing mindblowing. Just the opportunity to have an intimate conversation and spill your fears without the danger of judgement was a valuable experience. And it can do pretty much everything a Google search can, for better or worse.
But as these models get bigger and better, the question that keeps popping up is: will these LLMs actually be able to serve as complete therapists and executive coaches?
That was one of the things hosts Praveen Gopal Krishnan and Rohin Dharmakumar set out to find out in the latest episode of Two by Two. Joining them for the discussion were Gaston Schmitz, partner and founder coach at Asian Leadership Institute, who helps leaders and teams achieve a wide variety of goals, and Aakriti Joanna, founder and CEO of Kahamind, a leading mental health organisation in India, and a psychologist herself.
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Seeking structure
Structures and patterns are the golden fuel of AI.
Human beings, though, resist measurement. It takes a therapist time and a lot of sessions to make sense of all that is shared. Diagnosis isn’t easy, and symptoms are even harder to spot.
But feed AI structured input, and it will thrive.
Aakriti: I have done some test questions. For example, saying I’m feeling anxious right now. What can I do?
And [the chatbot] will say something like, “Here’s how you can ground yourself and do this breathing exercise.”
That’s actually really good.
And that is CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy).
Anything that is really structured is something that AI would be amazing at. But anything that is not structured might not work so well.
With something like executive coaching, perhaps, the answers might come a little easier, since it’s more goal-oriented. But at the end of the day, you still need that human touch to really hold you accountable.
Vibing to the vibrations
There was this word Gaston used during the discussion that perfectly captures where the effectiveness of a chatbot ends and being human starts.
Gaston: In every conversation, there are two conversations happening.
One is the verbal conversation that we’re currently recording.
But the second one is the vibrational conversation; what’s actually happening with your feeling, tone, and all the other nuances that are nonverbal.
And sometimes the second part is the whole conversation. How exactly does AI capture that?
It will, without fail, record every word you type. But what about the smallest of nuances—that tremor in your voice, that little pause before a word—that only another human can notice?
AI has its limitations.
But the reality is also that therapy and coaching remain unaffordable luxuries for many. A judgement-free chat that feels almost human? That’s far better than nothing.
We debate these issues in depth in the full episode. Do give it a listen and write to [email protected] with your thoughts or leave a comment on our website.
See you next week!
Regards,
Hari Krishna
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