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Two By Two Fri, 09 May 25 |
An abridged, narrative version of the latest episode of Two by Two, The Ken’s premium weekly business podcast. |
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My love for coffee really started a few months after I moved to Bengaluru. And when I say coffee, I mean Americano. Until then, I never really got the point of coffee without milk or sugar. Now, firmly part of the unlucky horde of daily office-goers, the coffee machine is the first thing I say hello to when I reach office. Even my weekends are now incomplete without a visit to a nearby café and a slightly expensive (no regrets) cup of bitter, blessed Americano.
India is a relatively recent convert when it comes to coffee. And for the longest time, the argument went: how can you build a business selling coffee in a country of chai drinkers?
This is no longer a question that comes up very often, though, largely thanks to the emergence of craft and specialty coffee chains fueled by VC money. People now know there is a market for even premium coffee products.
But there is something about cafés that makes it hard for them to scale in India.
This week on Two by Two, that little mystery is exactly what hosts Rohin Dharmakumar and Praveen Gopal Krishnan set out to puzzle out with two guests deeply knowledgeable about the café business.
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Now, back to this week’s Two by Two episode, where Abhijeet Anand, founder and CEO of Abcoffee, and Deepak Shahdadpuri, managing director and founder of DSG Consumer Partners, uncover the many factors that prevent Indian café chains from turning profitable at scale.
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Real estate, real problems
A customer who’s back for his coffee hit every day—that’s every café business’ dream. But even chains with a large proportion of such dream customers find it hard to make the model work.
Abhijeet: The problem is the number of transactions that you do on a daily basis.
In an industry where the average transaction value in a café is anywhere between Rs 400 and Rs 700, a certain amount of transactions are needed to make the unit economics work, to make the store profitable.
Second, when you’re actually playing real estate… If you look at the parallel chains around the world, they play on the QSR format, which is quick service. In India… you’re not serving fresh food or having a live kitchen, so it’s neither fine dining nor QSR. It becomes very unsustainable.
Hence, the number of transactions that go through on a daily basis is also lower.
To give you a metric around that, the revenue per square feet in India, in a café, would range from Rs 1,000–3,000 per square feet on a best-case basis.
Now imagine a rent revenue of around 20–22% considering real estate costs.
The unit economics do not work.
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For example, you make Rs 10 lakh as revenue, and your rent is Rs 2 lakh. The rent-to-revenue ratio comes out to be 20%. That’s very bad.
Abhijeet also spoke about how Abcoffee differentiates itself from the rest of the competition in the episode, but if you want a quick read on the subject, my colleague Seetharaman wrote about Abcoffee’s business model in his newsletter Trade Tricks last year.
10-minute delivery takes over?
The Zepto cafés and Bistros of the world now offer cheaper and somewhat good coffee in minutes. So are they poised to take over the segment?
Abhijeet thinks not, because while they might have built convenience into their product, they do not have a brand attached to it. Deepak differed on this a bit, though.
Deepak: A brand is nothing but a social contract with your consumer and a level of trust that you are building.
I am a heavy coffee drinker. When I have my Kopi, I go to the closest outlet. I have no differentiation between whether I go to Ya Kun Kaya Toast, Killiney Kopitiam, or the local café, because it is 99% the same.
I don’t go to one over the other, and they all price the same—up or down 10 cents.
But when I have some other product, where the flavour or the story is different, I want something from a ‘brand’.
So, I think India will go through its own journey. Assuming the beans are of the same quality, coming from the same estates, with similar roasting, there is no reason that the espresso-based product should be very different in taste.
That’s what’s playing out in Singapore.
You only go out of your way for specialty coffees.
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Convenience trumps every brand.
If you want to learn far more about what makes and breaks café businesses in India, do make sure to stream the full episode here.
Pre-credits?
We’ve now added a new section in Two by Two where right before the episode ends, Rohin and Praveen take a pause and reflect on what’s has happened with subjects we’ve covered in earlier episodes since they were published.
This week, we reflected on:
Google Pay: Big. Successful. Vulnerable
Ather Energy was a pioneer. Can it also be a leader?
Airtel fights spammers. And Truecaller’s business model
At least with one of those, it’s probably easy to guess what we spoke about. But keep listening until the end of this week’s episode to get the full picture.
As for the name of the section—Pre-credits—the jury is still divided. Praveen and I are on the fence, while Rohin is all for it.
Listen to it and then tell us what you think by writing to [email protected]? I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards,
Hari Krishna
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